Posts by cha ching

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New Article: Jehovah's Witnesses and Chosen Ignorance

by daringhart13 in

would love your feedback.

thanks gang!.

http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-chosen-path-of-ignorance .

cha ching

The Bible itself states:

"... do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself?" - Romans 2:21

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Despite all the proof being at their fingertips, on their personal bookshelves, on their CD Rom libraries... Jehovah's Witnesses, considered both 'strong' and 'weak' won't seek the truth. They choose to bury their heads in sand.... despite claiming their very lives depend on knowing the truth.

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Jehovah's Witnesses stand up at a circuit or district assembly and pledge allegiance to an organization. They are required to answer 'yes' to the following question before they are immersed in baptism:

"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism." Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

You will note that this is not found anywhere in the Scriptures. But even more damning is that nearly every person answering 'yes' to this questions...often in front of thousands... knows almost nothing about Jehovah's Witnesses.

I was not able to fully find out 'anything' about JW's until the internet came along... So many/most of the older books that were always quoted, reverred, were not available. Read 'The Finshed Mystery', by Russell and weep... You will not believe what that man wrote... it is pure lunacy, and that is who was always spoken highly of, the great brother Russell who started this whole ball of 'man worship' and misery rolling.

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The Bible itself states:

"... do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself?" - Romans 2:21

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

cha ching

Yes, Londo, 1919 is the KingPin!

They definitely would need a distraction, for a few.....

When I brought up 1914 as "possibly" not being "the date," my very smart cousin did not get the connection between 1914 & 1919! She only said "Well, if Jehovah wants to wait longer, so more people can get the truth, that's ok with me, that's great, nobody knows the day or the hour."

However,if Jehovah's Witnesses want to keep the "Revelation 11:3" description of the "two witnesses" (as they claim to be the beginning of the FDS) (wait, is it the GB) (hmmmm....?) ..... then they MUST keep 1914 as the beginning of Christ's reign...

*** dp chap. 17 p. 296 par. 18 Identifying True Worshipers in the Time of the End ***

The prophecy is quite explicit as to when the 1,260 days would end—when there is "a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces." In the middle of 1918, leading members of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, including its president, J.　F.　Rutherford, were convicted on false charges, sentenced to long terms of confinement, and imprisoned. God’s holy ones did indeed see their work ‘dashed to pieces,’ their power broken. Counting back three and a half years from mid-1918 brings us to the end of 1914. At that time the little band of anointed ones were bracing themselves for the onslaught of persecution

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*** hs chap. 8 pp. 143-144 par. 13 "Spirit of Life from God Entered into Them"

For a shorttime, like three and a half days, the organization of these proclaimers of Bible prophecies and witnesses to God’s established kingdom were in public disgrace. The people who had been tormented by the preaching of Bible truths rejoiced over the suppression of the Kingdom witnesses. From Christendom’s viewpoint, the organization of the witnesses was ‘dead.’ But had the spirit of God been killed, put to death? It had not proved to be dead when the body of the impaled Jesus Christ lay dead in the tomb for parts of three days. So, nineteen centuries later, it did not prove to be ‘dead’ after the organization of the Kingdom witnesses had lain dead "for three and a half days," relatively speaking.

15 Surprisingly, late in March of 1919, the officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and their fellow prisoners were released on bail and went to work. Jesus’ prophecy in Matthew 24:14 got renewed attention.

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** re chap. 27 p. 184 par. 26 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

26 How long did this respite for the seed of God’s woman last? Revelation 12:6 says 1,260 days. Revelation 12:14 calls the period a time, times, and half a time; in other words, three and a half times. In fact, both expressions stand for three and a half years, extending in the Northern Hemisphere from the spring of 1919 to the autumn of 1922. This was a period of refreshing recuperation and reorganization for the restored John class.

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** re chap. 22 p. 146 par. 14 The First Woe—Locusts ***

But in 1919 they already had a royal appearance. They were brothers of the King, and their heavenly crowns were reserved for them provided they continued faithful to the end.—2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.

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** re chap. 25 p. 169 Reviving the Two Witnesses ***Raised Again!

These two prophecies, in Ezekiel and in Revelation, had their striking modern-day fulfillment in 1919, when Jehovah restored his “deceased” witnesses to vibrant life.

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** re chap. 27 p. 184 par. 25 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

Similarly, starting in 1919, Jehovah brought forth the seed of the woman as a spiritual nation. This is not to be confused with the Messianic Kingdom that has been ruling from the heavens since 1914. Rather, this new nation is made up of the remnant of anointed witnesses on earth, who were brought into a glorious spiritual estate in 1919.

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These 'very solid reasons' for believing 'you have the truth' are slowly, deliberately, very cleverly, being deleted.

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Rumor: New light comes from outside marketing consultants

by Londo111 in

this is a rumor i heard back in november, it comes to me third or fourth-hand.

feel free to poke holes.

i have many doubts about this myself.

cha ching

Very interesting Londo, I was just talking about this the other day... However, I was thinking that lawyers are always writing tricky, mind bending, twisty, turny, 'seal you in the grave' policies.

Adding the 'marketing consultants' and 'psychologists' into the mix is the perfect combo.....

It all makes sense, the 'curtain' is being pulled back, the 'Wizard' is just a 'man' and a clever bunch of men, indeed!

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This is my first post

by Make Lemonade in

i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

there are resources here that are deep.

like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

cha ching

Well done Kate!

Well done Make Lemonade!

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

jw
friends

from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

cha ching

thx Splash!

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

jw
friends

from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

cha ching

Ahhhh.... Dear Punk,

Don't be discouraged, your posting of info has helped us escape the "dark side of the force!"

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Do Current WT writers review Early Russell Writings? Obviously not.

by objectivetruth in

jw
friends

from the book "the divine plan of the ages" - c.t.

russell 1886. as a forcible illustration we mention the sodomites.

surely, if we shall find the restitution of the sodomites clearly taught, we may feel satisfied of the truth of this glorious doctrine of restitution for all mankind, spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets.... unto the jews of capernaum he said, "if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in sodom, it would have remained until this day.

cha ching

I love that Ding!!!!!

I sometimes ask, "When do WT publications stop being the truth and turn into apostate literature?"

I will definitely use that one!

Sodom and Gomorrah was an embarrassing subject for me, and I didn't even live at the beginning of the century!

I was on a "Bible Study," using a book, read the paragraph about S & G about whether they would be "resurrected," and the student answered "No, they won't." At the time, the answer should have been "Yes, they will, as the scripture says "it will be more endurable for them."

I, myself, did not think it was right for the Society to change the teaching of S & G from the one I had originally believed... that they would be gone forever.... but, there it was, in black and white... in the 'study' book that I had to use... from the "faithful and discreet slave," "God's channel of communication on earth," yep, they had a chance.... What was I going to do?

I was so embarrassed.... all I could say was "look at the paragraph, what does it say?"

Only a month or two later, "new light" was revealed. S & G were no longer in the running for a resurrection... The student had it right from the beginning... so did I..... That was one of my pet peeves for never going with "whatever the Society says," they just might "unsay" it, and that would be embarrassing to Jehovah...

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How many were victims of child molesters who were members that are still members?!

by Guardian77 in

many members just as in the catholic church have molested children and are not punished nor turned in to the police..

cha ching

Dear Guardian77,

I am so sorry that happened to you... how sad that "the kingdom always comes first," instead of the safety & love of their children...

By speaking up, telling your story, perhaps you will embolden other young victims to go to the police, and "not trust the elders, even when it seeems illogical."

My love & hugs, cha ching

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Idol Worship

by cultBgone in

we couldn't celebrate birthdays because that was self-idolatry.

young boys couldn't have posters of sports stars because that was idolatry.

young girls couldn't have posters of their favorite rock band, same reason.. however, as "pioneers" we were told to memorize the names of the governing body members and the names of the wts presidents.

cha ching

Absolutely....

Idolization of 8 men... Money sent to them, money spent on them, and every word spoken by them is quoted, analyzed and revered.

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More WT Propaganda: 10 Year Old Children Should Get Baptized!

by Oubliette in

i just caught this in an upcoming study article which will be "studied" in the congregations the week of 11/18-24/13:.

he and his wife were elated when their eldest daughter, age ten, told them that she loved her parents, loved the brothers and sisters, and loved jehovah very much.

she said that she wanted to dedicate her life to jehovah and get baptized.

cha ching

The brutal irony here in JW-land, is that the minor cannot change their mind and yet the WTBTS can capriciously change their policies, doctrines, teaching,--hell: they can change whatever they want with absolutely no repercussions.......

But once again, in JW-land, the rules of commons-sense and fair-play are completely ignored in favor of the WTBTS. It's a promise for a promise: I keep mine, you must keep yours; you break yours, I do not have to keep mine......

No matter what happens, you are bound forever by the terms of that agreement and the WTBTS never, ever has to do anything or keep any of their promises....

This is what burns in my soul... and it is hard to articulate, but you did a great job Oubliette! (I will save this in a Word document.)

I was thinking about how much money they spend "flying across the world, to 'bless' the masses with their presence in dedicating an Assembly Hall, a Branch Office, etc... and the little kid in Africa, who went without food, sold his crop and donated his 25 cents to the WT... Yay team...

I hate what these evil, money sucking, cold hearted machines (disguised as "God's channel of communication") do to people.